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 The '''Thompson Light Rifle''' was an attempt by [[Auto-Ordnance Company]] to manufacture a [[light rifle|US Light Rifle Trials]] for the United States Armed Forces around 1941. It was one of several designs submitted by the company during these trials.
 == Design ==
 The weapon was directly based on their tried and true [[Thompson submachine gun]] (M1921/27 variants) originally chambered in [[.45 ACP]], however the Thompson Light Rifle is instead chambered in [[.30 Carbine]] as was required for the light rifle trials. It apparently worked well, but was too complex and costly to make, as well as too heavy to fit the U.S. military's requirements for their new "light rifle" concept.
 == Specifications ==
-* Cartridge: [[.30 Carbine]]
+* '''Cartridge:''' [[.30 Carbine]]
-* Action: Delayed Blowback
+* '''Action:''' Semi-automatic (Delayed Blowback)
-* Fire Rate: 600-1200 RPM
+* '''Fire Rate:''' 600-1200 RPM
-* Capacity: 20 or 30 round box magazines.
+* '''Capacity:''' 20 or 30 round box magazines.
 == Similar Designs & Confusions..? ==
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 The [[Hyde M1944]] was a very similar design by [[George Hyde]], which was based on the M1921/27 Thompson, and is also chambered in .30 Carbine. It also featured a quick change barrel system which seems to have been directly copied from the German [[MG 42]], as well as select-fire capability. It appears that this model is (incorrectly?) labeled as the "Thompson Light Rifle", but in actuality, it appears to be a copy of a Thompson, but one that was not directly designed / produced by Auto-Ordnance. More info is definitely needed to clear up the confusion. However, photos from Aberdeen do caption that mystery gun as a "Hyde Submachine Gun, Cal. .30 Carbine".
 == See Also ==
 === Video / Overview ===
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 <youtube>https://youtu.be/lW-IjtiVthc</youtube>
 [[Category: Prototype Firearms]]

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 The weapon was directly based on their tried and true [[Thompson submachine gun]] (M1921/27 variants) originally chambered in [[.45 ACP]], however the Thompson Light Rifle is instead chambered in [[.30 Carbine]] as was required for the light rifle trials. It apparently worked well, but was too complex and costly to make, as well as too heavy to fit the U.S. military's requirements for their new "light rifle" concept.
 == Specifications ==
-Cartridge: [[.30 Carbine]]
+* Cartridge: [[.30 Carbine]]
-Action: Delayed Blowback
+* Fire Rate: 600-1200 RPM
-Fire Rate: 600-1200 RPM
+* Capacity: 20 or 30 round box magazines.
-Capacity: 20 or 30 round box magazines.
+* Weight: Over 10 lbs.
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 The [[Hyde M1944]] was a very similar design by [[George Hyde]], which was based on the M1921/27 Thompson, and is also chambered in .30 Carbine. It also featured a quick change barrel system which seems to have been directly copied from the German [[MG 42]], as well as select-fire capability. It appears that this model is (incorrectly?) labeled as the "Thompson Light Rifle", but in actuality, it appears to be a copy of a Thompson, but one that was not directly designed / produced by Auto-Ordnance. More info is definitely needed to clear up the confusion. However, photos from Aberdeen do caption that mystery gun as a "Hyde Submachine Gun, Cal. .30 Carbine".
 == See Also ==
 === Video / Overview ===

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 == Similar Designs & Confusions..? ==
-The [[Hyde M1944]] was a very similar design by [[George Hyde]], which was based on the M1921/27 Thompson, and is also chambered in .30 Carbine. It also featured a quick change barrel system which seems to have been directly copied from the German [[MG 42]], as well as select-fire capability. It appears that this model is (incorrectly?) labeled as the "Thompson Light Rifle", but in actuality, it appears to be a copy of a Thompson, but one that was not directly designed / produced by Auto-Ordnance. More info is definitely needed to clear up the confusion.
+[[File:Hyde-M1944-Submachine-Gun-30-Carbine-Prototype.png|frame|right|A submachine gun prototype designed by George Hyde around 1944, chambered in .30 carbine.]]
 == See Also ==

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−	The '''Thompson Light Rifle''' was an attempt by [[Auto-Ordnance Company]] to manufacture a [[light rifle\|US Light Rifle Trials]] for the United States Armed Forces.	+	[[File:Thompson-light-rifle-30-carbine-submachine-gun-smg-prototype-firearmwiki-firearm-wiki.png\|frame\|right\|A photo of the prototype Thompson Light Rifle, based on their M1921/27 SMG. It was chambered in .30 Carbine.]]
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		+	The '''Thompson Light Rifle''' was an attempt by [[Auto-Ordnance Company]] to manufacture a [[light rifle\|US Light Rifle Trials]] for the United States Armed Forces around 1941. It was one of several designs submitted by the company during these trials.

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 == Design ==
-The weapon was largely based on their tried and true [[Thompson submachine gun|submachine gun]] (M1921/27 variants) chambered in [[.45 ACP]], however the Thompson Light Rifle is instead chambered in [[.30 Carbine]]. It apparently worked well, but was too complex and costly to make, as well as too heavy to fit the U.S. military's requirements for a new "light rifle".
+The weapon was directly based on their tried and true [[Thompson submachine gun]] (M1921/27 variants) originally chambered in [[.45 ACP]], however the Thompson Light Rifle is instead chambered in [[.30 Carbine]] as was required for the light rifle trials. It apparently worked well, but was too complex and costly to make, as well as too heavy to fit the U.S. military's requirements for their new "light rifle" concept.
 == Specifications ==
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 [[Ian McCallum]] of [[Forgotten Weapons]] gives a quick overview of the Thompson Light Rifle in the YouTube video below.
-<youtube>watch?v=lW-IjtiVthc</youtube>
+<youtube>https://youtu.be/lW-IjtiVthc</youtube>
 [[Category: Prototype Firearms]]

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-The '''Thompson Light Rifle''' was an attempt by the [[Auto-Ordnance Company]] to manufacture a [[US Light Rifle Trials|light rifle]] for the United States Armed Forces. The weapon was largely based on their tried and true [[Thompson submachine gun|submachine gun]] (M1921/27 variants) chambered in [[.45 ACP]], however the Thompson Light Rifle is instead chambered in [[.30 Carbine]]. It apparently worked well, but was too complex and costly to make, as well as too heavy to fit the U.S. military's requirements for a new "light rifle".
+The '''Thompson Light Rifle''' was an attempt by [[Auto-Ordnance Company]] to manufacture a [[light rifle|US Light Rifle Trials]] for the United States Armed Forces.
 The only major differences from the Light Rifle and SMG was the barrel shroud which housed a quick barrel change device similar to the [[MG42]] and pressed steel components to ease production and reduce weight. The in-line stock reduced barrel climb improving accuracy. The Thompson Light Rifle was more reliable and accurate than the [[M1 Carbine]] that was adopted and also came with the capability of select fire, which made it close to the likes of the [[StG-44]].
-Auto-Ordnance also submitted two other models not based on the Thompson SMG for tests in the .30 Carbine competitions in May and June, 1941. Their first Light Rifle was a more conventional rifle with recoil-operated locked-breech action and weighed about 5.5 pounds.<ref>Larry Ruth, ''M1 Carbine: Design, Development & Production'', Gun Room Press, 1979, {{ISBN|0-88227-020-6}}, pp. 12, 13.</ref> The modified version tested September, 1941 was semi-auto only, had 80 parts, and was found difficult to disassemble and reassemble.<ref>Larry Ruth, ''M1 Carbine: Design, Development & Production'', Gun Room Press, 1979, {{ISBN|0-88227-020-6}}, pp. 20, 21.</ref>
+Auto-Ordnance also submitted two other models not based on the Thompson SMG for tests in the .30 Carbine competitions in May and June, 1941. Their first Light Rifle was a more conventional rifle with recoil-operated locked-breech action and weighed about 5.5 pounds. The modified version tested September, 1941 was semi-auto only, had 80 parts, and was found difficult to disassemble and reassemble.<ref>Larry Ruth, ''M1 Carbine: Design, Development & Production'', Gun Room Press, 1979, {{ISBN|0-88227-020-6}}, pp. 20, 21.</ref>
 == Specifications ==
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-== See also ==
+== Similar Designs & Confusions..? ==
-* [[M1 carbine#Carbine, Cal .30, M1A1|Carbine, Cal .30, M1A1 (based on Winchester M1 Carbine)]]
 == References ==

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−	The '''Thompson Light Rifle''' was an attempt by the [[Auto-Ordnance Company]] to manufacture a light rifle for the [[United States Armed Forces]]. The ~~overall~~ weapon was based on their ~~well proven [[.45 ACP]]~~ [[Thompson submachine gun\|submachine gun]]~~, although the original~~ [[.~~30 Carbine~~]] ~~caliber rifle was based on~~ the [[~~Thompson submachine gun\|M1921/27~~]] ~~variants~~. It worked well but ~~due to the war effort~~ was ~~found expensive for mass production~~ and ~~its weight defied~~ the ~~concept of a Light Rifle~~.~~<ref>http://www~~.~~machinegunbooks.com/regular/Thompson18~~.~~jpg</ref>~~	+	The '''Thompson Light Rifle''' was an attempt by the [[Auto-Ordnance Company]] to manufacture a [[US Light Rifle Trials\|light rifle]] for the United States Armed Forces. The weapon was largely based on their tried and true [[Thompson submachine gun\|submachine gun]] (M1921/27 variants) chambered in [[.45 ACP]], however the Thompson Light Rifle is instead chambered in [[.30 Carbine]]. It apparently worked well, but was too complex and costly to make, as well as too heavy to fit the U.S. military's requirements for a new "light rifle".

	The only major differences from the Light Rifle and SMG was the barrel shroud which housed a quick barrel change device similar to the [[MG42]] and pressed steel components to ease production and reduce weight. The in-line stock reduced barrel climb improving accuracy. The Thompson Light Rifle was more reliable and accurate than the [[M1 Carbine]] that was adopted and also came with the capability of select fire, which made it close to the likes of the [[StG-44]].		The only major differences from the Light Rifle and SMG was the barrel shroud which housed a quick barrel change device similar to the [[MG42]] and pressed steel components to ease production and reduce weight. The in-line stock reduced barrel climb improving accuracy. The Thompson Light Rifle was more reliable and accurate than the [[M1 Carbine]] that was adopted and also came with the capability of select fire, which made it close to the likes of the [[StG-44]].

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	Auto-Ordnance also submitted two other models not based on the Thompson SMG for tests in the .30 Carbine competitions in May and June, 1941. Their first Light Rifle was a more conventional rifle with recoil-operated locked-breech action and weighed about 5.5 pounds.<ref>Larry Ruth, ''M1 Carbine: Design, Development & Production'', Gun Room Press, 1979, {{ISBN\|0-88227-020-6}}, pp. 12, 13.</ref> The modified version tested September, 1941 was semi-auto only, had 80 parts, and was found difficult to disassemble and reassemble.<ref>Larry Ruth, ''M1 Carbine: Design, Development & Production'', Gun Room Press, 1979, {{ISBN\|0-88227-020-6}}, pp. 20, 21.</ref>		Auto-Ordnance also submitted two other models not based on the Thompson SMG for tests in the .30 Carbine competitions in May and June, 1941. Their first Light Rifle was a more conventional rifle with recoil-operated locked-breech action and weighed about 5.5 pounds.<ref>Larry Ruth, ''M1 Carbine: Design, Development & Production'', Gun Room Press, 1979, {{ISBN\|0-88227-020-6}}, pp. 12, 13.</ref> The modified version tested September, 1941 was semi-auto only, had 80 parts, and was found difficult to disassemble and reassemble.<ref>Larry Ruth, ''M1 Carbine: Design, Development & Production'', Gun Room Press, 1979, {{ISBN\|0-88227-020-6}}, pp. 20, 21.</ref>
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		+	== Specifications ==
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		+	Cartridge: [[.30 Carbine]]
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		+	Action: Delayed Blowback
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		+	Fire Rate: 600-1200 RPM
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		+	Capacity: 20 or 30 round box magazines.
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	== See also ==		== See also ==

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	*[https://web.archive.org/web/20100318044706/http://www.forgottenweapons.com/thompsoncarbine.htm Thompson "Light Rifle" (M1 Carbine) Prototype]		*[https://web.archive.org/web/20100318044706/http://www.forgottenweapons.com/thompsoncarbine.htm Thompson "Light Rifle" (M1 Carbine) Prototype]

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